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Let me rephrase my question, Anon. To those who think there are more important issues to consider than abortion and gay marriage, what are they? I guess a better question is, is there anything that a candidate supports that would disqualify him for president?

What if he was pro-rape? Or wanted to imprison all Christians? Or wanted to bring back slavery? Or would you still say that you can get past those issues and still support the candidate?

I’m Canadian, so I didn’t get to vote. I did, however, camp out in front of CNN with a bunch of the girls from my res during the past few days and watch the election. And yes, I was rooting for Obama.

I wanted to respond to Chuck’s comment on issues besides abortion and gay marriage. I am pro-life, and this means I oppose abortion. It also means I oppose capital punishment, and useless, not UN-sanctioned wars that do nothing but waste taxpayers’ money (in a time when the economy is collapsing no less.) It means that I believe the prisoners at Guantanamo Bay ought to be treated with dignity, not tortured. It means I cannot stand by and tolerate an economic system that allows the uber-rich to become richer and pay next to no taxes while the very poor have to go without basic necessities. It means I believe that access to health care(without having to file for bankruptcy) is a basic human right. I have no problem with people who choose to vote Republican because they personally believe that abortion and gay marriage are the issues that matter most to them. I do, however, have a problem with those who say “Because these 2 issues matter most to me, they must also matter most to Jesus and therefore to any real Christian.” Both political parties have some good and some bad, and different, equally strong Christians can prefer different parties. And Obama needs your prayers- whether you agree with his political views or not. Not just for his term in office, but for his life- which may well be in danger as he takes office.

P.S. My word was oushedin. Sweet, eh?

so i have decided… we (america) are like the israellites that begged for a king… and then paid dearly…. ugh.

It’s always helpful to me to check back in every once a while with white evangelicals and be reminded of why I left them to join a black church.

Oppressed people’s focus on the liberation narrative of Scripture is so much more inspiring than focusing on making sure gay people know we wish they didn’t exist.

This is not about skin color.
It is about the heart.
It is about morality.
Marriage is to be undefiled.
Two men having sex is defiled.
That is Biblical.
Having sex outside of marriage and then destroying the un-born baby is murder.
I have been to many different churches, it is not the color of the person, it is their heart inside.

I needed to write my blog post, post election. It’s a way of dealing with the weary emotions of the day and framing the event in my heart and life.

Visiting other blogs and reading the penned thoughts brought me some much needed perspective and calm.

peace~elaine

I’m shocked by the somber tone of the original post and the comments. Being Christian does not equal being conservative or being Republican. I voted proudly for Obama, and am elated that he will serve as our next president. Regardless of how you may have voted, this is an historic day, and I day to be proud to be an American.

I agree with that it is a historical turning point.

“Let me rephrase my question, Anon. To those who think there are more important issues to consider than abortion and gay marriage, what are they? I guess a better question is, is there anything that a candidate supports that would disqualify him for president?”

I can only speak for myself, but I don’t think there are issues that are more important than abortion and gay marriage. But I do think that there are other issues that are equally as important that the Republican party and most white evangelicals ignore by comparison. And I believe that Christ and Scripture agree. And for what it’s worth, yes, I go to a predominantly white evangelical church. And no I am not a Democrat.

Yes, there are things that a candidate could support that have and will make me say, I can’t vote for that person.

Anonymous in Canada-I’m sure if we sat down and talked you’d see me as a normal person. I’m “uber rich.” I can tell you first hand that God has blessed my husband and I in financial ways through our businesses that I couldn’t have dreamed. You would start throwing skittles all over the place if you saw how much money we already pay in taxes. I just had to point out, that there isn’t a rich person in the USA who doesn’t pay a LOT of their money in taxes. One of the things that God instructs us to do is to take care of the poor. We give away a considerable amount of money each month. In a very practical way, when we are taxed more, and forced to turn over funds that we earned legally, and through our own hard work, we have less to give. There is a deep, deep blessing that comes from watching money be used by those in your community and life who wouldn’t have it, if we hadn’t been obedient in giving. Economically, people can take care of people much better than the government. Jesus didn’t tell government to take care of people, he told us, he told me. If you have never really talked with someone who is ‘uber rich,’ now you have. I won’t have as much if Obama’s policies are inacted, and it might cause us to not hire as many people this year, or scale back on other philanthropist works. I don’t want to offend, I just want to give you the other side of the story. God has dealt with my false guilt over being wealthy, and reminds me that the ‘love’ of money is evil, not money itself. Thanks for reading.

anon in canada,

i cannot answer your question briefly, so see my response here.

To uber-rich:

Thanks for pointing out something that has been SO overlooked throughout this campaign.

I have no idea how much money it takes for someone to be considered “rich,” though my guess is that most people think of it as anything that’s a little more than they have.

I, personally, am rejoicing with you because of the blessings God has given you, and because you are obviously using it in ways that honor Him.

This is anonymous in Canada again. To uber-rich: Thank you for giving me the other side of the issue. I wasn’t referring to small or even moderately large business owners so much as I was referring to mega-corporations. And I do agree that individiuals who can help the poor should do so. But this doesn’t absolve the government of responsibility either. But if everyone with money was like you it would be a nonissue.

Really I’m tired of people telling me what issues I should be concerned about as a christian voter. I think it is manipulative to say that I only vote based on “hot button” issues. And I should vote on moral issues like the environment and global poverty. This is a fancy way of saying that I shouldn’t vote republican.

So here’s the deal, in my little opinion. Homosexuality, abortion, global poverty, the environment, and many other things are close to the heart of God. We can’t leave any of them out. So who should I vote for? It gets complicated. To those who tell me I have to vote one way or the other, shame on you. When you do that, it’s no longer a democracy.

I think that’s why the conversation has to go to a higher plane, but I don’t think anyone, including me, can really grasp that yet.

And, by the way. I’m tired of people thinking the world is coming to an end because of the election. I’m also tired of people elevating our president elect as savior. Neither statement is true, nor helpful. thanks for listening.

Life goes on. Blah dah dee!

Why do people and computers sell their capital gains to avoid the increase in taxes?
(that’s programs designed to sell and buy stocks)

Yes, we still be here.
“Here, there or in the Air!”, 1979.

2008, Oil is falling, Threats are rising, Rain is falling on California after the elections, along with a lot of snow.
Blessings from Showers.

Things are not just going to be “OK.” God is sovereign, the church is going to be challenged and grow and that is good, but we’re in for a bumpy ride. OK, here goes!